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Week 1: Giants vs. Redskins - Gameplan

The Super Bowl champion New York Giants kickoff the 2008 NFL season tomorrow night, taking on their division rivals the Washington Redskins. The Giants incredible eleven game road winning streak that culminated in their victory over the New England Patriots all started against the Redskins last season, as the Big Blue defense held a late goal line stand to preserve a 24-17 victory. The Giants won their next six games, and went on to make history in the postseason. 

That was then. This is now.  Tom Coughlin and the Giants will be the first to tell you so. Every time these two teams get together, it's a hard-fought, physical football game, and the Redskins would love nothing more than to knock off their division rivals and the defending Super Bowl champs in their house. 

Today, we look at what the Giants will need to do to prevent that from happening. 

Air it out early

When you look at the Washington Redskins on defense, their weak link clearly comes in the secondary. Outside of stud safety LaRon Landry (who will very likely start on Thursday night, despite a hamstring injury), the 'Skins have some real issues in that last line of defense. Corners Shaun Springs and Carlos Rogers have both become very beatable over the past couple of seasons, and Fred Smoot is a shell of his former self. 

The Giants have playmakers behind starting wideouts Plaxico Burress and Amani Toomer in second-year man Steve Smith and the elusive Domenik Hixon, and can put a lot of pressure on this Redskins secondary by spreading the field and forcing guys like Smoot and Rogers to make plays. 

The Giants may be a running football team first, but on the other side of the ball, the Redskins just don't look to have the quarterback play and enough healthy weapons in the passing game to stick with New York if the G-Men can turn this into a shootout early. 

Stack the box on defense early in the football game

If the Giants want to control the pace of the game and force Jason Campbell to beat them, they need to make it extremely tough on running back Clinton Portis early in this football game. Dropping a safety into the box and limiting Portis' running room early will put pressure on Campbell to make plays - and if New York can force the Redskins to abandon the run game, it puts Campbell in a tough position against Steve Spagnuolo's attacking defense.

Blitz the right side of the Redskins front line

Young tackle Stephen Heyer will have his hands full with defensive end Justin Tuck tomorrow night, and the Giants can make it even tougher on the Redskins offense by sending extra rushers to Heyer's side. Look for a couple of overloads to the right side early to force the Redskins to bring help to the right side of the line, allowing one on one matchups for linemen Fred Robbins and Mathias Kiwanuka, as well as limiting the Redskins ability to spread the offense. Overwhelming Heyer early will go a long way in the Giants defensive success in this one. 

Prediction

The Giants go into 2008 with some more firepower at wide receiver and a confident quarterback, and you can expect them to put their money on both Thursday night. Jason Campbell will likely be forced to go toe-to-toe with Manning, and at this point that's just not a competition he's in position to win, all things considered.

Giants 30, Redskins 20

-- H.Kiswani

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DEMO3356 said:

32 hours and counting!! Nice piece Haz. I can see us running for 200 yds tonight, especially if we do like you say and air it out early. If we get their safeties to stay out of the box BJ, Ward and AB will blow up! The Skins offense looks terrible and shoulld take them most of the year to get completely acclimated to new west coast system.

Giants 31, Redskins 13.

September 3, 2008 9:18 AM
 

fanfor55years said:

Thank goodness! Some actual football insights instead of irrelevant predictions of season records and arguments back and forth about the Eagles, of all teams.

Nice job Haz, especially the comments about pressuring the side of the line where Heyer will be trying to stop some pretty impressive guys across the line from him. I can see a similar situation to what helped Osi last season: teams had to account carefully for Strahan and that gave Osi some one-on-one matchups that he easily won. This year everyone will have to account for Tuck and I think as a result Kiwi (and Wilkinson) will be able to have a significant impact on the other edge, and we'll see a lot of success in the push up the middle by Robbins and Cofield (and anyone looping).

I suspect the Giants will be able to very successfully run a balanced offense tomorrow night, with the Skins coaches having to try to outguess Gilbride and Eli because they can't cover everything with a defense that just isn't ready to deal with an offense like the Giants' at this point. I never predict score, but I think a 10-point differential sounds more than reasonable, and I think it could be a blowout.

September 3, 2008 9:48 AM
 

fanfor55years said:

By the way, I expect an impressive game out of Steve Smith tomorrow as he starts to show those who haven't figured it out yet that he is going to be a terrific player in this league for a long time. The pundits haven't noticed him, but they soon will.

September 3, 2008 9:51 AM
 

Krow said:

I think we're going to know very early in the season just where we stand.  This Redskin game will be the 'canary in the mine'.  We should win.  It won't be a piece of cake, but it should not be a nail biter either.  At home... defending champs... NFC East rival.  The team should be up and ready to defend their championship.

So... if we struggle... if we amazingly drop this contest... then my fears will be instantly realized.  There are a lot of question marks.  We're all optimistic, however these first half-dozen games make up the easy part of our schedule.  We have to knock them down... then tough out the rest.  

Anyway... we'll find out soon enough.

September 3, 2008 9:52 AM
 

Bartman said:

Don't forget - we started out 0-2 last year and won the Super Bowl so even if we lose, i'm not going to panic - even though i probably should.  I have to tell you - if the Skins can't get up for this game, I think they'll have a tough year. I expect a closer game than you guys.  I hope not but we do have problems at home for some reason.  

September 3, 2008 9:58 AM
 

ThatsMyQuarterback said:

ff55y,

I am with you with Steve Smith.  One of the most under-rated plays in the Super Bowl with Smith's catch on 3rd and 11 just before the go ahead TD pass.  He caught the ball about 2-3 yards short and had the presence of mind to tip toe the line and get the extra yards needed,all while watching the defender close in on him for a big hit.  The kid played in countless big games at USC and I think that really makes a difference when transitioning over to the big league.

September 3, 2008 9:59 AM
 

hkiswani said:

ff55y and DEMO -

I feel a potential blowout as well, I just can't see the Redskins offense hanging with the Giants for very long should we be able to make this a aerial assault.

It is week 1, and I'm sure the Skins will be very, very fired up - but in the end it comes down to the guys on the field and the execution regardless.

We should be able to win this game with some cushion, like Krow said.

September 3, 2008 10:06 AM
 

hkiswani said:

Also, I really wish DeSean Jackson wasn't in Philadelphia.

If you guys remember pre-draft time when we had all our draft coverage, I had him ranked the best receiver in the draft and many people didn't like it for several reasons.

But he's just elusive and electric. I think he's going to be a real spark plug in this league as an offensive player and return man.

September 3, 2008 10:08 AM
 

Jim Stoll said:

Lots of interesting questions to start the season.  The skins looked very weak in their last two preseason games but we all know thewre is little one can take from those games.  The Giants played up and down in preseason as well.  so we will see which team brings its regular season A game or not.

Defensively:  Will the giants follow the pattern of last season in which they more often than not gave up an opening series scoring drive before settling down and slowly taking over the game?

Can they generate the same fearsome pass rush without Osi and Michael?

Is Corey for real?  Is Butler a better player than most of us thought last season?  Will Phillips contribute early?  Will ross have a sophmore slump?

Lastly, without Michael and Osi and with Mathias' shift back to DE, just how good will this unit be against the run.  The one thing the Skins bring is a first class running game and this will be, I believe, the key to this game defensively.  control Portis; control the game.

Offensively:  How will the O-Line handle an improved Skins pass rush?  Will the Giants be able to run effectively?  How many snaps do they give Jacobs before switching to Ward or Bradshaw if Jacobs starts slowly?  Do we begin to see the utilization of 4 wide receiver sets?

On balance, I think virtually every match-up (except kicker) favors the Giants and this game should be a laugher on the order of 38-13.  My only fear is that Carney has little leg left such that kick offs are carrying only to the 10 or 15 yeard line, returns are allowing the Skins to start around their 40 and the Giants find themselves in either a bad field possession game, or, despite the stoutness of the defense, the special teams allow the skins the "cheap" scores that keep an otherwise overmatched team in a game.

September 3, 2008 10:17 AM
 

fanfor55years said:

One more comment from my direction. If you want to get a good sense of how the Giants are going to handle the biggest question mark in regard to their defense, take a close look at how the linebackers handle Portis. I assume the Skins will try to get him to the edges and test both Wilkinson and Clark in run support, and also run some cutbacks hoping that they can seal the outside linebackers and take advantage of Pierce when he has no help from the side.

I'll be looking to see how those linebackers do, and what kind of support the safeties will provide (Wilson was a big help last season in run support and I think it will be Johnson and then Phillips doing it this season). If we see some weaknesses in Wilkinson it will be against the run (he should be able to bring pressure on the QB and do a great job in coverage but his run-stopping ability is still a question to be answered). And I will be interested in whether Clark is what I think he is: an equal version of Mitchell, very good against the run even if nothing special in coverage. If Wilk and Clark show well against a really good back like Portis it bodes well for the season. If they don't do a good job then Spags will have some adjusting to do if that isn't to become a serious weakness on this defense.

September 3, 2008 10:18 AM
 

The Real Bryan McCoy said:

Do you guys really think the Gmen win by 10 points or more?  A blowout?

Isn't this a better version of the Skins team that the Gmen needed a goal line stand against last year to beat?

Isn't this an NFC East game - ie. - always a tough, close game?  Maybe they do clobber the Skins, and if the Skins were from the NFC West, I'd say sure, I don't know - division games tend to be low scoring and close.  

September 3, 2008 10:23 AM
 

The Real Bryan McCoy said:

I am excited for thursday night though.  Can't come quick enough.

Can't wait to see what goes on with Phillips, who had that one good game against second stringers in the preseason and then was kind of disappeared.  Can't wait to see the LBers, how the line holds up, what the secondary looks like.

Also, how the unpracticed WRs look and how Eli looks.   So pretty much everything you guys were saying.

September 3, 2008 10:25 AM
 

fanfor55years said:

Jim, excellent post. All good points.

Haz, I think Jackson WILL have an impact, especially on special teams. But until the Eagles surround him with more talent in their receiving corps he will be covered up top and may not be able to make as much use of his speed as you assume. And frankly, if I were a defensive coordinator I would make sure that my toughest defensive back absolutely mauled him all game. Sure, he'd miss him a few times, but put someone like Thomas or Ross or Phillips on him and let's see how well he does after taking some ferocious hits early in the game. And if he ever goes over the middle, have a guy come from the opposite side of the field and just lay him out as he reaches for a catch. He'll be dangerous, but I'd be a lot more worried if he were 4 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier.

September 3, 2008 10:26 AM
 

fanfor55years said:

Bryan, yes, Division games are usually tight contests. But this is not the same team that had to make that goal-line stand last season; this is in New York (with good weather predicted), not in Washington; and that game was played before the defense really "got" Spags' system.

The only way I see this becoming tight is exactly as Jim suggests: a real setback because the kicking game allows the Skins to have good field position all night. One of the things that really helped the Giants down the stretch last season was that they were winning the field position contest. That continues to be an overlooked part of their success. Hixon's returns and the excellent coverage of kicks were big helps. And Eli and Gilbride's ability to almost always avoid three-and-outs allowed the Giants to keep opponents having to navigate long fields. If that reverses tonight the Skins have a chance. I don't expect that to be the case, but it's something to worry about.

September 3, 2008 10:34 AM
 

The Real Bryan McCoy said:

ff55 - that goal line stand came early in the season and is the game the team won.  

Not to start an argument, but you are telling me that after the team "got" spags' system the team lost 22-10?  I know a lot of the blame for that game goes on eli and the O, which struggled, but still.  The D gave up 22 points.  The O scored 10.  I know I know, this is a different team, but I think the Skins are better as well.  Seeing how the gmen won a close one, and after they "got" Spags' system they lost, I'm just not sure I see where a blow out is possible.

ff55 - You know me, I think ST and field position are about 55% of a teams success.  Short fields make for good offenses, long fields, not so much.  Look at the Eagles last year, which racked up yards, but couldn't score because of dthe long fields (something else that scares me about the Shaun Jackson pick up).  Most "worst to first" success and first to worst stories come down to field position.

September 3, 2008 10:41 AM
 

jcrown92 said:

FF55,

Tonight? I hope you aren't disappointed when you get home from work today...lol jk I wish it was tonight too

But Jim,

I agree 100% with your assessments. Stopping the run is the key to shutting down this Skins team. I really don't think Campbell is much of an NFL QB. If the Giants stop Portis and Betts early this game could get ugly if the Giants can get a lead. That would make the Redskins forced into catch up mode and the Giants can send blitz after blitz. I really think this team is nearly impossible to beat once they we establish a lead due to our strong running game and our pass rush.

As for the kicker concern, I am worried as well about it. Field position is key in this league. I am not too worried about Carney making field goals, but I don't think he has the power to kick off anymore. I don't know why they didn't go after Feely even though I can't stand him because at least he can kick the ball in the endzone on kickoffs. From what I hear Tynes may only be out a game or two so hopefully Carney doesn't cost us a game with his short kicks.

September 3, 2008 10:46 AM
 

jcrown92 said:

Also, I was watching the Super Bowl on NFL Network last night and Damn that game still gives me goosebumps. What a game!

Tonight the America's Game thing about the Giants is airing at 9. I am excited about that as well.

Thursday at 7 can't come soon enough. Go Giants!

September 3, 2008 10:49 AM
 

The Real Bryan McCoy said:

ff55 - its exactly those "couple" times that your mauling CB misses Jackson that worries Haz and I.  Those couple times are 14 points, add in the 10 or 14 they would have scored anyway, and suddenly 21-14 is 21-28.

As easy as it is to say "just have a safety cover him over top," that opens the middle of the field for a TE.  if you remember, that's what happened in Dallas, when Whitten went nuts.  Its easy to take away 1 guy, the problem is the options that that opens.  Especially when the LBers have to deal with a fast RB.

September 3, 2008 10:49 AM
 

giantsfan said:

Bryan,

Wasnt that washington game the game that Eli had to throw 52 times against heavy winds? Or was that a different game? If that was the game, then I wouldn't base the evaluations on it. Gilbride called a horrible gameplan.

But I agree that it probably won't be a blowout. The team will have to gel with its new players. But it should be an easy win though.

I

September 3, 2008 10:58 AM
 

kevingracey said:

heres a funny exerpt from peter kings (god i hate that guy) article on SI right now:

• NFC Championship: "Keep talking about Dallas,'' Justin Tuck of the Giants told me in camp. "We love it.''

and of course he goes on to say dallas will be in the superbowl after beating the vikes..typical

September 3, 2008 11:05 AM
 

The Real Bryan McCoy said:

kevin - King backs his argument up with facts - he acknowledges the problems the Boys could have, but he thinks Pacman will play well, Romo will finally play well in the post season and that the team is stocked with talent (as it undeniably is).

Is he really supposed to pick the Gmen because Tuck made a comment about the coverage of the Boys??

September 3, 2008 11:16 AM
 

giantsfan said:

Romo will fail again haha. I hope they miss the playoffs! Fire Wade, I hate that sloth. haha.

September 3, 2008 11:19 AM
 

kevingracey said:

bryan - listen i know better then to get u started so i won't ..i was just putting it out there so that people can see what tuck said .. and in actuality he didn't back up his article with facts but instead of opinions of players and their talent level and really i could care less what he backed it up with he always hates on the giants and he sucks on dallas like a coke hungry whore and i truly believe if he could kill jessica simpson and get some intimate time alone with romo he would

September 3, 2008 11:24 AM
 

giantsfan said:

Anyone read Michael Strahan's book? Did he edit it to include the superbowl?

I read some of Plax's book yesterday. It's interesting. He talks about his earlier issues with Coughlin, Shockey's craziness, and his struggles in NY. He also talks about how classless and dirty the New England Patriots are, with the exception of Teddy Brushi. I had to stop when it got to the good parts. Interesting read so far.

September 3, 2008 11:26 AM
 

Krow said:

As an aside... seems we're talking to Willie Anderson.

September 3, 2008 11:27 AM
 

Jim Stoll said:

Bryan,  Your points on why the game could well be close are well taken and on average more likely to materialize than my reasons for a blow out.

My push back is probably more homerism than cold logic, but I feel this team has earned the homerism.  Last year we entered the season with so many question marks and a bad taste from the previous year.  I predicted 4-12 and was dreading an impending awful season.  I wanted coughlin fired; I thought Eli would never turn the corner; I was unsure if Kiwi could make the transition to LB; I didn't think that amani could recover from his ACL at his age; all the "experts" were railing against the Reese's horrible draft and the absence of free agent signings; who was Spags; and, of course, the team was as likely as not to be plagued by numerous injuries as it had in the 3 preceding years.

Now it is all different.  We are the Champs; nobody else -- it is US!  Eli did turn the corner in brilliant fashion and until forced to believe otherwise, I choose to believe he will be the Super Bowl MVP calibre QB this season.  The draft turned out not to be so bad.  Everyone knows who sSpags is.  Osi's injury aside, we are healthier, younger and faster that a year ago.

Washington may prove to be a better team this year than last; but right now they look like a team with all the same questions this year that we had last.  

Thus, on balance, I see the Giants winning this game going away.

Call me a homer.

September 3, 2008 11:30 AM
 

GIANTT said:

I still think 35-10 -and my reasons are fairly simple,first I am an eternal Giant fan and always hope that my team will do well - I used to lose a lot of money betting with my coworkers because I ALWAYS took the Giants ,yeah ,I know that was stupid but what can I say (I HAVE learned my lesson )

Start at Jim Zorn - which no one else seems to think may be a factor I think he has his head handed to him his first REAL game.

I believe- like jcrown- that Campbell hasnt shown a great deal as QB - and quite frankly , I think safety in the box and some run blitzes to challenge the run and hold down Portis and then DARE Campbell to throw is a simple enough plan .With some blitzes from different spots all night ,this wont give Campbell time to throw.

I was also concerned - like Jim Stoll -about the kicking - I didnt like Hustons length on his kickoffs and consequently ST play -but  I think that they WOULDNT have brought in Carney unless he was visibly better and still had enough leg left  to do it

Does AP still have it physically , to me Clark for Mitchell is a push

because although Mitchell did a good job and better as the season went on , I think the same thing wil happen for Clark .I think the athleticism of Wilkinson will be an upgrade .Between this and KP eventually as safety ,the mid field will be better off than last year .I think the skins dont have enough weapons and you can easily double up their strengths and really not have too much of a problem going one on one with everyone else.

On offense , I think the Giants will try and pound it running , not be too successful , I think our dark horse success will be whoever(or is that whomever) He can pass to . Here I like Smith

as the go to WR since Im sure they will double Plax and Toomer

and the TEs wont be a factor this early in the season.

September 3, 2008 11:32 AM
 

DEMO3356 said:

Krow- Adding Willie Anderson would defiantly ease concerns about our OLine depth and the loss of Whimper.I think he still has enough in the tank to be a quality reserve.

September 3, 2008 11:34 AM
 

DEMO3356 said:

Jim stoll- agree 100%- the Skins look to be having issues adjusting to Zorns Offense and any team that looses a HOF Coach and 2 fantastic Coordinators has to take a step back

September 3, 2008 11:36 AM
 

Jared said:

The opening kick off of the season is my favorite sports moment of each year.  I am hoping for an early game blow out (Sen. McCain probably wants this too).  I would love to see Synder's team get smacked on opening night. It would be great to see the Giant's starting line-up on the bench by the beginning of the fourth quarter.  That combined with the fact that he tossed away two of next year's draft picks (2nd and 5th) will help seal their fate for a while longer. And to think there is something like a 40 year wait list for tix at Fedex field.

September 3, 2008 11:44 AM
 

jcrown92 said:

Giantt,

We share the same trait of betting on the Giants no matter what. Lol whenever I do bet on them I lose so I try not to bet on them, but every few years I will be like no way will they lose this game and make a stupid bet and the Giants will lose. I have never won a bet in my life on the Giants. I will try and not bet on them this year guys...lol

Last year I had a 3 team parlay would have won like 180 bucks or something like that. I Picked the Jags to cover and the Browns to cover and they did. All the Giants had to do was beat a terrible Skins team that lost their starting QB and the Giants also were playing to clinch a playoff berth and it was at home where the Giants usually beat the Skins. Sorry guys don't blame the wind on that one. I will take the blame for that one.

September 3, 2008 11:56 AM
 

KD said:

The Jets and the Giants are negotiating with Allianz, the German-based financial services giant, to buy the naming rights to their new stadium, said a person with knowledge of the talks.

www.nytimes.com/.../01nfl.html

September 3, 2008 12:03 PM
 

fanfor55years said:

Bryan, not to belabor the point, but one of the reasons that I was so bullish on Wilkinson (and we'll all soon see if my bullishness was justified...I'll admit if I'm wrong after 5-6 games) is that he is the first linebacker the Giants have had in quite a while who I think can cover a tight end in space and allow doubling any wide receiver without giving up too much in the middle of the field. That was not possible last year with Mitchell, AP and Kiwi/Torbor. So I fully expect the Giants to cover deep on the speed demons on their opponents and depend on Wilk to cover the TE and on Phillips (eventually) to make sure that any balls caught in the middle of the field are for relatively short gains.

The nice thing about all of this is that we will all soon see what happens. This isn't the kind of speculation that can't be tested. Tomorrow night we will see if the game is a nail-biter or a relatively comfortable win. We will see where the weaknesses in the two teams occur. We will get a sense of comparative strengths. Nothing will be definitive. It never is in the first game of the season. But at least we'll be past reading tea leaves.

I just hope the crowd is a lot better than in most of the games last season. It was the deadest crowd at Giants Stadium I've ever seen. I actually think that's one of the reasons they didn't do so well at home. And, of course, it will only get worse next year as a result of PSLs and the increasing net worth of the folks in the stands. Maybe they'll have to pipe in noise like Seattle does. I'll bet the reason that was started was not to cheat, but to make up for all the fans who brought wine and quiche to the games up there and never opened their mouths over the course of the game. When I used to go to every game the place was a madhouse, with noise throughout the game and the intensity on third downs when we were on defense was great. Any of you going out there should exhort the people around you to make a lot of noise. You can be certain the Skins fans will make it tough on the Giants in FedEx.

September 3, 2008 1:08 PM
 

csherm91 said:

Giants finally get some respect from ESPN.  Mark Schlereth just put them fourth in his NFL power rankings.

September 3, 2008 1:34 PM
 

bearcat said:

Good heavens Bryan.  Defending the undefendable again.  The Rednecks...The Rednecks!!!  THE REDNECKS??!!!??

I'll admit they put together a pretty nice run at the end of last season.  Not as good by far as ours, but very respectable and gutty with Collins at QB.  But what in heaven's name do you see  "improved" on this wreck?

Danny Bonaparte lobotomized them by cleaning house of most of the coaching staff.  Jim Zorn is a decent fellow.  Quite likable, really.  (Too good for that organization, IMHO), but he's a crap-shoot as a head coach.  I mean who else besides Danny Bonaparte even had him on their radar screen?  You really think his chance of getting fast out of the blocks with this team is even 50/50?  

Well let's talk about the personnel.  It's a handful of studs in search of a team.  Landry and Fletcher on defense (I'll get to Jason Taylor in a minute).  Portis, Betts, Cooley, Moss and maybe Randel El on offense.

Betts and Sellers are fine.  But the O-Line is creaky.  They benched Jansen.  Kendal is 35 year old. Thomas is 34 or 35?  They've go little depth beyond Jason Fabini (32 or 33, I believe)  

None of their top draft picks appears ready to contribute, which shouldn't be a surprise because they are all receivers, except for third rounder Chad Rheinhart, who got pushed all over the field during preseason.  What did they bring in to Improve this team?

Jason Taylor, right?  Well he's limping, and I'd be surprised if he even plays.  Think what aggravating his knee injury would do to his dancing career (don't laugh, I bet he IS thinking about that).  And if this team get's off to a slow start,  I don't think it's for certain that Taylor's committment to football will hold up.  Why spend the last years of his career putting his body on the line with a team that can't likely gel until after his playing days are over (2 years at best).  I think there's an excellent chance that he's not 100% focused on football.  The Rednecks have an impressive track record of showing more interest in making star players media bozos in the local market than keeping them focused on football.  I watched them do it to poor Lavar Arrington, who could have been the closest thing to LT had he not been to over-pursue on every play and otherwise diminish his effectiveness as a player.  

But I digress.  With a combination of aged and questionable O-Lineman, Campbell should see a LOT of pressure.  I don't think he'll hold up any better tomorrow than he has held up under pressure in the preseason.   I certainly don't think their dwarfish receivers pose us much of a threat.  Cooley is quality at TE, but he's not going to beat us with Wilkinson running him down.   Their running game has potential, but the studs on their O Line are a year older and at their age, I wouldn't say a year older is improved.  Look for them to wear out late in games.

Finally, their secondary has been surprisingly pourous.   The return of Landry can only help, I'll admit.  But Spriggs is another one getting way up there.  34 I think.  

Rednecks are a team that's in denial about the fact that a huge section of their core is geriatric and will be gone before the coach gets a handle on the team, gone before the quaterback hits his stride, and gone before their big new wide receivers are NFL ready.

September 3, 2008 1:36 PM
 

TroyThorne said:

jcrown - I'm not sure what kicker you were watching but Jay Feely is awful on kickoffs. In fact, that's one of the main reasons we released him (that and him being a total choke artist). The guy has really good accuracy, as evidenced by him missing only two FGs last season and having a high accuracy rate throughout his career. The problem is he has no leg whatsoever, on kickoffs or on FGs.

September 3, 2008 1:42 PM
 

Krow said:

Stadium naming rights always come down to a few factors.  First off, the league insists that the name has a degree of class to it.  This is the NFL, and it has to reflect a multi-billion dollar operation.  Secondly, it must project the proper image.  It can't be disrespectful or impolite.  And finally it must embody our American values and traditions.  All that is best in this country.

Ahhh I'm only kidding.  It's about the money.  They'd call it 'Hitler Stadium' if the price was right.  Being a German company that actually might happen LOL.

September 3, 2008 1:44 PM
 

TonyNYG said:

Bearcat- all I'll say is I can't agree w/ you more

Troy- While I agree w/ you for the most part, I was under the assumption the main reason we let him go is because he wanted too much money, which Miami gave him. Honestly, at this point last year I was pissed that we let him go, as there was no way to tell if Tynes would have been as solid as he was. That being said, he was still just a Favre interception away from being run out of town the way Feely was. I still don't feel he's the answer, as I just can't trust a guy that misses XPs. Its funny though, I'm thinking tomorrow at kickoff, we just have to set a record for the oldest kicker/punter in the history of the NFL...not sure of the exact total, but they have to be close to 90yrs old combined

September 3, 2008 1:52 PM
 

The Real Bryan McCoy said:

bearcat - ok ok, I didn't say they were SB threats, and I did say that if this wasn't a division game I would expect a possible blow out.  I'm just saying this isn't exactly the Miami Dolphins.

All the age issues you bring up are spot on, but the impact will be felt more later in the season, not the first game.  I figure the Gs win it, but I'm not sure its a blow out, is all.

September 3, 2008 2:04 PM
 

kevingracey said:

omg someone beat bryan down on a point ...i don't even think i can post lol

seriously though just to add to bearcats point on tayler, he has a bone bruise ..has anyone here other then me had one ..it still shows up on my x-rays to this date ..guess thats what happens when u BS during drills at football practice ..never did that again..anyway my point is if taylor plays he's gonna be hurting and its gonna be easy to injure again

on jay feely .. he sucked on kickoffs and his field goal range was as long as chad penningtons arm, and he was a CANCER in the locker room ..constantly calling out coughlin among others .. first of all he's the kicker he should shut his mouth..2nd he's the kicker and should shut his mouth..3rd he also was setting himself up as a media darling and no matter what was trying to get more attention then a kicker should have ...and lastly he wanted too much money for his noodle leg and weak kickoffs

September 3, 2008 2:17 PM
 

jcrown92 said:

Troy/Kevin,

I guess I was wrong about his kickoffs. For some reason I thought that he used to kick it near the endzone all the time. Maybe I am wrong. Well then F him. But he still has to be better than Carney. I just don't think Carney can kick it that far anymore. The kicking game is my main worry for the early part of the season. The Giants always excelled last year in dictating the field position and having a kicker kick it to the 10 and the other team returning it to the 30-40 every time out is not a good way to win the field position battle. But I guess I will have to give Carney the benefit of the doubt. Honestly, I haven't seen him kick in awhile, but I am just worried about starting the season with a 45 year old kicker (even though Feagles is a damn good punter in his 40's). My main worry is what if we are down by 2 with less than a minute to go and Eli is moving the chains towards a FG and the Giants are out of timeouts. Eli is going to have to get the team pretty damn close for this guy to make a field goal. I know it's probably a little thing to worry about, but it still worries me as a fan and I hope Tynes is back sooner than later.

September 3, 2008 2:32 PM
 

GIANTT said:

so anyone have any idea on Carneys range on kickoffs and field goals? to be honest , Id feel ok if he could kick to the goal line and be 80 % accurate up to 35-40 yards . Im thinking that if the Giants have to rely on him or Tynes to win a game from 40+ yards then they are not doing too well anyway .And as weve seen I wouldnt bet the house (see jcrown92 , I did learn from experience) on their kicking skills.

September 3, 2008 2:33 PM
 

GIANTT said:

jcrown92-sorry ,I posted before I read yours -glad to see someone has similar concerns , but I dont think they would have brought in anyone if they hadnt been better than Huston

September 3, 2008 2:35 PM
 

jcrown92 said:

Giantt,

Yeah you are probably right Carney must have looked good in practice for them to bring him in this late. Although, Huston didn't help himself out with that missed extra point in the Pats game. Man, I wish we would have taken Mason Crosby for Ryan Grant instead of either Henderson or Andre Woodson whatever that stupid pick turned into.

September 3, 2008 2:43 PM
 

kevingracey said:

jcrown - also another thing about feely is he would want to be locked up for at least a year ..carney accepts his role as a fill in guy till tynes comes back and he's actually said that in the media

September 3, 2008 2:47 PM
 

giantsfan said:

jcrown92,

From what I understand, the packers never offered Mason Crosby. Where did you hear this from? They had two kickers but they wanted to keep Crosby and offered the other one.

September 3, 2008 2:55 PM
 

S1ARK5 said:

Giants 27

Redskins 17

September 3, 2008 2:56 PM
 

jcrown92 said:

Giantsfan,

I heard that the Packers offered either one of their kickers to the Giants and the Giants preferred a draft pick. I read this in one of the major newspapers. I forget which one since it was so long ago, but I am positive I read it.

September 3, 2008 3:11 PM
 

jcrown92 said:

Kevin,

I never liked Feely after that Seahawks game, but I just think he might be a better option than Carney since he is ancient. I remember how bad Morten Anderson got at the end of his career when he could only kick short field goals. But the Giants must see something in him so I will have to trust them. At least we don't have to wait much longer to find out if he will be suffice.

September 3, 2008 3:16 PM
 

ERICHONIUS said: